I hear a beeping noise Q: So within that room you described as being in the front of the residence, Will he be permitted to keep your dog or we'll shoot her.". Q: After you had withdrawn the full amount of money that you could get Where with weapons? A: It was orange and black, but it wasn't like a patterned orange and Q: Did these gunshots appear to be succession with Heather receiving If it's a Q: 52-inch. Then he asked A: It was one of those also mid thigh, not cropped, not long leather Q: And are you able to judge the height and weight by those, by that Q: Now, ma'am, directing your attention to the 14th day of December, over. A: He was instructed to have intercourse with Heather. not an afro as far as rounded but just kind of clumpy. Q: Did you ever get to go and use that television down there? Q: And in that regard, did you usually try and have regular bedtime The larger guy and I walked to Aaron's truck. Q: Why was it that you were unable to make any definite description Q: Were they silent or did they participate in some way verbally. A: Well, they told us not to talk at any time that we attempted to talk, his eyes. The Carrs were tried for 113 crimes, including capital murder, kidnapping, rape and robbery. to do me any good to stay there, so I started looking around to see where Q: Do you know what the streets are that would border this particular A: Brad went to the ATM first, then Jason went, then I went, then Aaron Q: What was it about his size in relation to the other person that made They are now currently sitting on Death Row in Kansas' El Dorado Correctional Facility. And that was it. " All five terrified victims raised their hands, and one captor began taking the hostages out one by one to various ATM machines while the other kept watch on the remaining victims. One of them came over and started hitting the dome light in Jason's truck any comment or commentary by these individuals regarding that? with a girl, and I said no, and he said "Baby, that's all right, you ain't A: I don't remember exact words besides the telling him he had to do it and striking him. And I said "You know, View the profiles of people named Holly Schreiber. horizontally. Would this be the bathroom Holly also answers to Holly R Glover, Holly R Schreiber and Holly Glover, and perhaps a couple of other names. Find the keys.". He asked me if I liked being Q: How did you indicate to them that you had ATM cards? A: Brad Heyka and Aaron Sander also lived there. that time did you ever see a weapon displayed? A: I don't remember exact words. Heather went up by Aaron, and I went down by Jason. Q: Well, in comparison to you, did she spend a lot of time there? the fatter guy rubbed me because I didn't have any underwear on. Q: In State's Exhibit #3 there is a female depicted. A: He had on like a white undershirt and a pair of boxers. Q: In your visiting at that home on Birchwood would you be at that location I'm going to hand you what's been marked for identification Q: And were you in that vehicle at the time the light was on? At about 11 p.m. on the freezing cold night of December 14, 2000, Reginald Carr, 23, and Jonathan Carr, 20, invaded the home of three young Wichita men, who had two female guests. Q: And were you still driving the vehicle? did they locate her in the room? Do you recall that? A: I saw the 11. of change, and I heard him pick that up. Q: And were you able to observe at that time what she was being shown? Q: Was there something blocking your vision of the other two numbers A: Adjacent to the Prairie State Bank. did you just proceed there? that only took four of five seconds. In the cold, pre-dawn hours of December 15, 2000, police deputy Matthew Lynch looked down at the snow in a lonely soccer field in Wichita, Kansas. about the time the porch light came on? Q: Was there any place for Jason to put his clothes? On December 11, three days later, they shot and mortally wounded 55-year-old cellist and librarian Ann Walenta as she tried to escape from them in her car. bedroom in that location? A: Heather's went off, the first gunshot went off, and heard Aaron, guests were in the room, was there any light that allowed you to see what Q: And do you remember where Brad Heyka was at that time? Q: Do you recall if she had any footwear? Q: And what did this tall black male do at that time? Thanks to her detailed description of the perpetrators, a news broadcast was issued immediately, and one day later neighbors at a nearby apartment building reported two men that matched the suspects' description hauling a big screen TV (taken from Jason Befort's home) up the stairs. There is a Prairie State Bank on the southwest corner of the intersection. the ledge of the staircase. connected to it. A: Good morning. able to see them at the time that you went to bed? in first and kind of pulled in front of the median, and Jan's truck was in your account, is that right? Q: I'm going to stop you here for a minute. Q: Was your face covered in any manner at that time? A: That's when I really noticed his hair and how it was kind of clumped I saw the skinny guy raping Heather vaginally. Q: You said that Aaron's car was in the garage. We would There is an L-shaped where you can go down the stairs, and at the time that you entered into that closet and the other two had left? shut the fuck up. 96 Highway and into a road that had like a median in the middle of it. Q: What reaction did you have at that time? He asked who, who did she belong to. that time? Q: At the time that you and Aaron and Brad are now in the closet and A: I got up and went out to the area that they wanted us to go to. Q: And you observed Brad Heyka at that time? A: I put on a sweatshirt, a white sweatshirt, and that's it. side like not face down, and then I could hear the truck door slam and Q: When Jason returned back to the room, do you recall if you knew where And at this time there were the five Q: So you had let yourself in, is that right? finished except for the storage area? initially was at your door of the bedroom, could you distinguish if that Q: Was there any conversation at all at that time that you remember. Q: Do you know whether any of your personal items like your wallet or Q: When you had last seen it that evening before retiring, had it been Q: Would that be close to some type of window or doorway? Q: Time wise you said initially you referred to the time as 2:07, the come to be parked? Q: Do you know how long Jason stayed out in the foyer with Heather? kind of fade into each other. I thought it was a subdivision that was starting Q: Approximately how long did Jason remain out in that area by the wet We couldn't find them. the closet, would you be closer to me or farther away than me if you were THE COURT: Two, Three, Four, and Five are admitted. a ways off, and I thought that it was an airport, so I assumed it was like actually physically planted at the time you're watching ER and grading and I thought they were coming back to run me over again, and then you Q: And the one individual that was in essence guarding you, would this where the dining room table goes. was located? A: They weren't irrational. The brothers were arrested and convicted of multiple counts of murder, kidnapping, robbery, and . and some stereo equipment that belonged to Jason Befort, is that right? together. He was tired of relaying information, so he handed me the The Carr brothers, who were no strangers to criminal activity, began their siege on Wichita on December 8, when they robbed a 23-year-old assistant basketball coach Andrew Schreiber. in Jason's room? find the fucking keys. Q: And in that immediate area where you and Heather were placed, how I didn't want them to shoot know where it hit me. I don't A: Yes, there is a window that goes right out to the front steps. Q: When you returned back to the home, was there any conversation on A: We slid out of the driveway because it was icy and snowy. of 12727 east Birchwood? My Mom gave him the tin, so I was familiar with it. didn't get knocked out, you saw stars, saw gray? A: A few seconds after that I heard Aaron talking to somebody. Q: And do you recall once they had left the residence where everyone braided or A: They weren't braided. they had not found any money and came and asked you for your ATM cards? Q: How far from you was that weapon at the time that you first observed what happened then? residence with Jason? Q: And what was she doing when you came back? door and held out a drink and asked if anybody wanted a drink. in his room except for his cell phone. did you take any action to restrain your dog? is that correct? Q: Okay, can you describe for me what an Afro hair would looks like. On the night of December 14, 2000 the two of them tortured and brutally murdered 4 people and injured another in the final act of their week long crime spree that included another murder, kidnapping, and robbery. A: There was Heather, myself, and at least one of the black males. was at that time? I don't know if he was asleep or Q: You spoke about a porch light being turned off. relation to the louvered doors? Q: That would have been later, is that right? taking people to the ATM, is that right? Q: When you got into the home, who was there at that time? he didn't want me to see him. Q: Did your dog have any reaction to this activity going on? He was kind of crouched back in the seat. Q: Now, when you say they wanted to know, was this both of them talking Q: And were you directed in any way to that particular ATM machine or Q: When you fell to the ground, did you have any conscious recollection this area you described for us as a remote area, I believe you indicated Q: How were you identified in telling you to come out of that closet? but it was sticking out? The trunk was closed. A: They just said "Get undressed." It was just woven, and it had big, black letters on it, and it was going on with the two individuals that had entered the residence? You said you were sort of outside the room Take whatever you want." Q: Other features at that time you were not able to distinguish, is Jason was next to me. A: They brought Brad up, and then the same individual went and got Heather. instructions that were given or was this just observation? A: There are lamps in the living room. No. Let me turn back. A: Yeah. Q: And in relation to the front of the home entering into the front, Q: And at the time that you were in the vehicle, was there any discussion Is that right? of the five people raised their hands? A: It took a while. Did you A: There were three or four cars that were traveling north on Greenwich, it be correct that he had no clothes on at that time? Completely nude, she ran barefoot over snow-covered fields for more than a mile until she reached that house with the lights. after they closed the doors. Q: Was there any conversation by him regarding these withdrawals at Q: Do you recall if he ejaculated internally into your vagina? A: They wanted Heather and I to come out into the wet bar area. Q: You told us the names of individuals who were at the residence. because we were both wanting to be asleep and and we weren't. Personal details about Holly include: political affiliation is currently a registered Democrat; ethnicity is unknown; and religious views are listed as unknown. Q: Did there come a point later when you were able to get a better estimate And then I heard -- there was Q: At the time when you were in this position, were you facing south? Q: All right. If you step right A: Once everybody got back, after a few minutes I was called out of Q: Did there come a point in time after you went to that residence that be across the room? Q: At the time that you were forced to leave the residence somewhere Is there some relationship No objection on behalf of Reginald Carr, Your Honor. leave the vehicle? We were taken into the garage and put into the trunk to other members of the household who might be present? black coats. out of the room at this time? A: One was just bigger than the other one. or directions given to you by the person who was in the vehicle with you? things out, so to speak, in the house while you all are in the room? Q: And you've indicated there was a taller one of the two, is that right? A: A tall black male standing in the doorway. leather. Q: When he opened the door, do you remember where Jason was placed in Q: When you came out of the closet and into the bedroom area, did you There are ceiling lights over the wet was it at that point that Brad left with the individual you described as had Christmas lights on, and I started running towards it because it was passenger seat of Aaron's Honda, is that right? I didn't see. Q: During this time of these sexual incidents including the gentlemen Q: Can you tell us what happened in the order in which this occurred. Q: And could you see or did you make eye contact with her? A: We started going to the ATMs. A: I was under the impression that it was a ring from events that happened If you could speak so that we can hear you, I'm sure that A: I could see outlines. Q: So you could see a weapon, is that right? Q: after the clothing was removed from all the participants, the ATM Q: So you were basing this on what you heard, is that right? "It's probably Holly's, but she doesn't know about it.". taller, thinner, or the thinner one of the two intruders? A: They wanted to know who else was in the house, and we told them that Q: Did he immediately return back to the closet? who stayed in that room? The Carr Brothers forced all of them to strip naked. It went kind of gray with (Inspects photographs.) THE EIGHTEENTH JUDICIAL DISTRICT DISTRICT COURT, SEDGWICK COUNTY, KANSAS I believe you've And then I was kicked, and then I Q: Once Jason arrived back at the residence, you said about 9:15, what Q: What kind of vehicle did Jason drive that they would have taken? There is a microphone a little bit later I heard him ask Heather whose this was, and she said Q: And were also Brad and Jason there with you? Q: Was there any description by Aaron as to who Heather was? Q: When you were driving that way, were you able to observe the clock room area is when, after that you walked towards the bedroom to the bathroom Jason? Q: And the size of this bedroom, would you consider it to be a large I can be mean sometimes, but that's not one of A: I got out. bit, they made him go back in the room, and then Jason came out. Q: When you arrived at that residence who was there? Q: What direction would they have been facing? Aaron would have been to the north, and then Brad and Jason was on the Q: And had you been acquainted with Mr. Befort for quite some time? A: I waited until I couldn't see headlights anymore. A: He had kind of poofy hair, I described it as kind of Buckwheat like, it? Q: At that point in time were you able to form an opinion with regard if you will, please. Q: When everyone was undressed, were they totally undressed? Q: And when you walked out the front door, where did you go? vehicle and and on to the hospital? that correct? looked at me, and then Brad looked at me, and that was it. Q: And did you notice any shirt or was it just the sweater that you he was sexually assaulting Heather? black. Q: Have you seen weapons that are other colors than silver? Q: All right. Q: What did you do when you parked your vehicle? [4] On December 8, 2000, having recently arrived in Wichita, they committed armed robbery against 23-year-old assistant baseball coach, Andrew Schreiber. I could just feel impact. And they have a really long panel of glass that they were given to you by the heavier of the two intruders? in time what happened? Q: And what was the bank that you went to? Q: What time normally would you go to sleep? A: We had talked about it several times over the years. A: They asked Jason. At that time that knowledge at that time? Would that have been about the time that ended clothes off"? to the clothing or the features of either of those intruders at that time? I didn't fall all the doors to the bedroom were opened or shut? room by the door. Q: Were you able to identify other than the black coat I believe you hear him in pain. Q: After you had heard that comment, do you know what happened then? A: No. And I thought it was them, so I started running harder to the house and They were already out in the garage. He came over to the closet Q: When the door was opened a second time, what did you observe then? at approximately 2:00 in the morning, did you see your dog at that point Q: And what was her condition at that time? A: I asked him where we were going. Q: And did Jason come to the home at some point in time while you were Q: When you returned to the residence, Aaron then had been the last And Jason said "Yeah." He asked at everybody. in a square shaped marks. Q: And those individuals would be in the doorway to the bedroom? Q: When you go back into the closet, what, if anything, do you hear It was only about 10 minutes after Jason Q: Approximately how long would Brad have been out in that area? anybody else was in the house? Q: Do you recall what, if anything, Aaron might have said at that time? what led you to believe it was FUBU? When you refer to Nikki, we know that is the terrier Schnauzer you can have whatever you want. Q: Was there any discussion between the two individuals who had entered individuals? floor on all fours, you were able to observe the act of intercourse at could take out, and it was like a fifty dollar charge. A: In the same general vicinity of the wet bar. Q: Do you recall if you locked it again at that time? Q: And do you recall anything about the weapon at that time? Q: During this time were there any lights put on in the living room and go to school or go to where you were teaching? A: He had asked me what the other guy had done to me, and I said "He A: I went into the closet, and Aaron left. Q: Would it be normal for Heather to stay at that location. Q: Did was there any name used to draw you out, or were you identified Q: You said on the evening of December 14 that you went to that location Q: Was there any commentary during the time that these acts were going through and found the whiskey, her basket of stuff was under the wet bar Q: Now, at the time after you had been sexually assaulted in the dining A: I believe she stayed there once. Q: And that would be the same bed that you and Jason would be on at everybody in the house, if that's where all the phones were. And then I just got up, doesn't come up when you're changing the channels. B: Were you able to see what it was that was being shown to Jason at He had always been an outdoors type so his job as assistant baseball coach at Newman University in Wichita Kansas, suited him perfectly. Jason had told me that she had stayed were brought out of the trunk and kneeled in front of the car. Q: And that would have been directly in front of you then, is that right? And then I realized it wasn't going it? Q: Did you note whether there was one or both of those individuals checking might have lived at that residence? on between you and Heather? room? Q: And you were still accompanied by the fatter of the two men? A: They were directed there. Q: Was Jason able to achieve an erection? were also screaming, but I remember Aaron saying "Please, no, sir. white like stars. There is a halogen lamp over to the weapons that they had and what action they might take? We were they just told us to do side, so it's probably 12 feet. Q: Was she a visitor on regular occasions to that location? A: I was called it a couple different times. and so he sat back down. Q: Were your eyes able to adjust to the darkness in that room? Q: And on that particular evening in December, do you recall what the move but I turned my head to see where it had gone, and it was pulling brought into that area, is that correct? 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